Wii U

The ways that each of you was thinking synced up and you began trying short courses. How did that go?

At that time, we had just shortened the New Super Mario Bros. U courses and increased the difficulty, but when you played them, they really were good. Even on courses we already knew, the variations on gameplay broadened, and it felt very fresh to play. But we hadn't yet thought of making lots of downloadable content.

You wouldn't usually think of changing all the courses from the existing game to have them available as additional downloadable content! (laughs)

But we eventually decided it would be fine to do just that! (laughs)

Even though it was additional downloadable content?

Yes. I thought we could remake it all by shortening each course.

Takemoto-san, when Tezuka-san suggested changing it all, what did you think?

I thought the work load would be insane! (laughs)

As if you had been told to make a whole new game. (laughs)

Besides, when making New Super Mario Bros. U, we had tried to pack in as much as possible to use up all the ideas the staff had. So toward the end, when Tezuka-san said what he did, I thought, "Can we make another game?" And, to be honest, I was really uneasy.

Other staff members said things like, "But we're exhausted!" and "We gave it everything we had!" (laughs)

Like, "We've burnt ourselves blank—so what're you saying?!" (laughs)

That's exactly what the atmosphere was like!

The courses may be short, bit it was like they had just run a long marathon, and then when the goal was right before their eyes, you said, "Go run another half marathon." (laughs)

That's right. But I was like, "Have you really used up all your ideas?" (laughs)

You thought they could keep running? (laughs)

Yes. If I thought about it calmly, and I suspected they could make more.

It's just like you to offhandedly say something so incredible. (laughs)

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And there's more. (laughs)

Oh? (laughs)

When development of New Super Mario Bros. 2 for the Nintendo 3DS was over, some course developers had their hands free, so I brought them in.

You brought in new blood.

Exactly. Both games may have been in the New Super Mario series, but making a game for a handheld and for a home console are two different things. I hoped that by bringing in a new team, we could make something new. I knew I was asking the absurd, but I told the staff to get started and see.

What was it like to have that new input?

Very refreshing. To be honest, just when we had made all those courses for New Super Mario Bros. U and we were tired to the bone…

A bunch of people raring to go joined in and chattered away as they began making more.

Yes. Those who joined in later on made courses at a much faster pace, and I was worried about whether the original developers would be all right. But perhaps those who joined later stimulated them, because a lot of ideas started gradually coming up, so I think that Tezuka-san was right to bring in new blood.

(happily) Good! (laughs)

And, for example, when it comes to making courses, a Wii U team assumes multiplayer gameplay, so they tend toward wide courses. But the staff from the Nintendo 3DS assumed single-player gameplay, so I think we were able to introduce a new feel to the New Super Mario Bros. U courses.

And everyone worked so fast that I thought we would be done sooner than I expected.

They clipped right along.

Yes.

What about Luigi at that time?

We were still making it with Mario.

I clearly remember the day this game's main character switched from Mario to Luigi. In a meeting, you suddenly said, "I think we're going to switch the downloadable content for New Super Mario Bros. U over to a Luigi game.

Yes, that's right. In a meeting, you talked about making this year the Year of Luigi, and I thought, "Oh, then we should match what we're making now to that!"

Luigi first made his debut 30 years ago in 1983, in the arcade game Mario Bros.⁶, and this year we're releasing a number of games related to Luigi—such as Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon.⁷ I asked Miyamoto-san what he thought about making this year the Year of Luigi, and he agreed, saying, "Drawing attention to Luigi, who's always in the shadows, would be good," and I said "I'll wear a Luigi cap in Nintendo Direct⁸!" (laughs) 6. Mario Bros. An action game that first appeared in arcades in 1983. The NES version was released in September the same year.

7. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon: An action-adventure game released for the Nintendo 3DS system in March 2013.

8. Nintendo Direct: Since 2013 marks 30 years since Luigi made his debut in the arcade version of Mario Bros. in 1983, Satoru Iwata appeared in the 2.14.2013 edition of Nintendo Direct wearing a Luigi hat to represent the Year of Luigi.

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So you wanted in on the action. (laughs)

I was like, "Give me a piece of the action!" (laughs) I was actually really worried about the downloadable content. I wasn't sure which direction to take. But I thought that switching the main character to Luigi instead of simply making the usual downloadable content would attract lots of attention. And from our point of view, I thought building the game around Luigi would determine a direction, help us get focused into development, and make the game easier to make.

That's right.

So for me, the Year of Luigi was a real lifesaver!

Miyamoto-san and I really heaped praise on your idea at that meeting.

I don't usually receive such praise! (laughs)

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