Iwata Asks is a series of interviews conducted by former Nintendo Global President Satoru Iwata with key creators behind the making of Nintendo games and hardware.





Iwata Asks: Fit Meter

Measurement Boot Camp

Iwata

You received the algorithm12 developed by Panasonic, which added a special aspect that a conventional activity meter doesn't have. How did development of the Fit Meter begin? 12. Algorithm: A specific method or procedure for processing information. Here, it means a variety of methods and computations for calculating burned calories.

Sugiyama

First, we thought about what kind of activity meter we could make that would be right for Nintendo-and I wanted one for use when hiking in the mountains!

Iwata

Oh, so it began with your hobby?

Sugiyama

Absolutely! (laughs)

Iwata

I never suspected the Fit Meter began that way!

Sugiyama

It did! (laughs) Then we focused on exercise intensity. For example, climbing stairs is about eight METs13 of activity. But the usual activity meter isn't that accurate. 13. Eight METs: A single MET represents a sitting position at rest. Intense running is 13 METs. Light walking is four METs. Vacuuming the floor is three METs. Carrying something heavy is eight METs.

Iwata

That's right. I try to use the stairs at lunch, but climbing to the seventh floor without using the elevator is pretty hard.

Sugiyama

Stairs are hard. Eight METs is actually a fair amount of exercise. When I ride a bicycle, I always wear a heart rate monitor and measure speed and number of rotations, but it has an atmospheric pressure sensor and can measure altitude changes based on air pressure. It's encouraging to know you've climbed a hill, so I asked Matsunaga-san and Hayashi-san to include an atmospheric pressure sensor in the Fit Meter.

Iwata

This really did start with your hobbies! Matsunaga-san, what did you think when he asked to include an atmospheric pressure sensor?

Matsunaga

Sugiyama-san actually showed me a graph of changes in elevation from when he cycles, but, to be honest, at first I didn't get what was interesting about it at all.

Everyone

(laughs)

Iwata

At first, there was zero resonance between you and the rest of the group. (laughs)

Sugiyama

(pointing at Matsunaga-san and Hayashi-san) To be frank, these two don't work out much!

Iwata

The team of Wii Fit U directors aren't active! (laughs)

Matsunaga

I almost never hiked up mountains before, so (glancing at Hayashi-san) h-how is it?

Hayashi

Well, it's good for people who hike up mountains, but at the time, I still hadn't grasped what was interesting about it, either.

Matsunaga

While we still weren't entirely convinced, we went to ask Panasonic anyway.

Iwata

Sorry they had so little faith! (laughs)

Tooyama

No, not at all! (laughs) Theoretically, I thought the atmospheric pressure sensor would go in. But hiking in the mountains wasn't really among our goals.

Iwata

Your usual targets were those undergoing metabolic screening, so people who enjoy hiking in the mountains must have been a bit far removed from Panasonic's product development.

Tooyama

Sort of! (laughs) The challenge was how to test the activity meter with an atmospheric pressure sensor inside. We needed to measure activity of a certain duration and intensity, so we used the stairs of a tall building for our experiments.

Iwata

You had to continuously go up stairs for a set time, like five or ten minutes.

Kitado

Right. (laughs wryly)

Sugiyama

Whoa...that's what you had to do...

Iwata

It must have been like a boot camp for those that were measuring.

Kitado

They used a metronome and went up step-by-step to a set rhythm.

Iwata

(holding his head) With a metronome?

Kitado

And some of them would still give out partway through!

Iwata

Then that data would be no good.

Kitado

Not at all. We had to do it over.

Iwata

It's thanks to those who climbed stairs to the rhythm of a metronome that we can measure calories so well. Now I understand that in order to correctly measure hard exercise, someone has to exercise hard to provide the data. It isn't all theory.

Tooyama and Kitado

That's right. (laugh)

Iwata

How did it feel to have made an activity meter that can measure burned calories along with altitude changes?

Kitado

It shows detailed graphs for going up and down stairs, so it's easier to see where you did different kinds of activities. You can see your own activity patterns, and I think it's good how you can see burned calories in detail.

Iwata

Matsunaga-san and Hayashi-san, you weren't sure at first, so how was it for you?

Matsunaga

Yeah. (laughs) The first time I clipped it on and displayed the records on a graph, I was convinced for the first time-like "Whoa!" Sugiyama-san's was someone else's graph, so I guess it didn't hit home.

Iwata

It's much more convincing to see your own graph.

Matsunaga

Sorry. (laughs wryly) That was when I first realized how fun it is to look back at my own activities.

Iwata

How about you, Hayashi-san?

Hayashi

During testing, we could see METs without taking altitude changes into account, as well as METs taking those changes into account. Taking altitude changes into account really conveys how active you are-even though I knew beforehand that climbing stairs was good for you.

Iwata

It's rewarding to see numerical values for even the most modest amount of activities you do in daily life.

Hayashi

Yes. It serves as motivation for using stairs more.

Iwata

Sugiyama-san, you're all smiles as you listen. Was that the reaction you hoped for? These two weren't convinced at first, so you look like you want say, "I told you so!" (laughs)

Sugiyama

Absolutely! (laughs) I actually tested it hiking in the mountains, and I expected it to have satisfying results. But a remaining challenge was seeing whether changes in elevation would properly show up. To test that, I climbed Mount Inari14 quite often! 14. Mount Inari: A mountain in Fushimi Ward, Kyoto Prefecture. It stands 233 meters above sea level and is at the southern tip of the Higashiyama Thirty-six Peaks. It is the holy mountain for the shrine Fushimi-Inari Taisha.

Iwata

Multiple times?

Sugiyama

Yes. I did that until I reached acceptable exercise intensity.

Hayashi

Toward the end of development, he was doing it about twice a day.

Iwata

In addition to altitude changes, did you make any other big requests to Panasonic?

Matsunaga

We also asked for development of the Fit Meter software. The Pokéwalker15 was actually the basis for the Fit Meter, so at the same time, we thought about what to display on the LCD. 15. Pokéwalker: A pedometer packaged with Pokémon HeartGold and Pokémon SoulSilver, software released for the Nintendo DS system in September 2009. It can hold one favorite Pokémon caught in those games, as well as help catch wild Pokémon and search for items.

Iwata

Did you make it based on specifications written by Nintendo?

Hayashi

Yes. I explained to Panasonic specifications that I had collated, but at first I didn't know how to organize it and arranged it like it was specifications for a game. I caused them some trouble.

Iwata

In other words, Hayashi-san was an amateur in this field, so he made specs completely unlike those you would make at Panasonic. Did that confuse you?

Kitado

Well, we were, um...confused! (laughs)

Everyone

(laughs)

Kitado

It may be a difference in corporate cultures, but once we draw up specs, we barely change them afterward. But I think Nintendo gradually polishes the product specs as development progressed.

Matsunaga and Hayashi

Right.

Iwata

Since you aren't used to that, it must have been hard when they asked you to change something you had assumed was set.

Kitado

Yes. That happened a lot.

Matsunaga and Hayashi

.... Right, sorry about that.

Iwata

Matsunaga-san and Hayashi-san have been smiling wryly and nodding quietly! (laughs)