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Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedules today.

It's a pleasure. Thank you for having us.

The previous incarnation of Sin & Punishment¹, for the Nintendo 64 system, is a bit of a cult classic. I've asked you to come all the way here to Kyoto because I'd like to ask your help in conveying to as many people as possible what kind of people make Sin & Punishment and what is so great about it. I'm counting on you.

We're happy to help.

First, I'd like our guests from Treasure² to introduce themselves.

I'm Maegawa, president of Treasure. I served as producer on Sin & Punishment: Star Successor.

I'm Nakagawa from Treasure. I was director this time, so in addition to my main job as programmer, I also did planning or whatever else came my way.

I'm Suzuki, a designer. I was an employee of Treasure when the first game came out, but now I'm a freelancer. I lent assistance this time as art director.

You all worked on the previous game, right?

Yes.

I would like to hear how the first game began and how you made it.

All right. It all began with the Nintendo 64 controller. At the time Nintendo had suggested two ways of holding it, left position and right position³, but most games called for the right position.

Super Mario 64⁴ used the right position, so everyone used that.

We started talking about how no one hardly ever used the left position, even though you can perform independent actions with it.

You can do some unique controls, but no one used it.

Right, no one used it. But we thought it would make for interesting game operation and started development.

So Sin & Punishment began with you deciding to make full use of the left position.

Yes. We thought maybe you could aim with the analog stick and move with the D-pad in the left position.

How did that work out as you began development?

We realized that the independent operations in the left position would be unexpectedly hard for players the first time they tried it.

Because they'd never done it before.

And Nintendo told us that. What's more, a Controller Pak accessory⁵ could be plugged into the Nintendo 64 controller, and there was talk of adding a sensor to it. But we had already begun development for the left position. Adapting it to a sensor at that point would have only lengthened a development process that was already dragging on. We abandoned it, but after some time had passed, the Wii console arrived...

That's quite a long time! (laughs)

It sure is! (laughs) When I saw the Wii Remote controller, I thought, "So this is the sensor they were talking about!"

Ah, I see.

So I said, "Come on, let's make Sin & Punishment for Wii!" and started bugging these two about it.

(nods in agreement)

(laughs)

We thought, "We could use the Wii Remote controller's pointer to aim and the Nunchuk controller to move! That's it!" And that's what got us started.

Wait, not so fast! Before we get into the Wii version, I want to hear about the original game! (laughs)

Oh, right. (laughs)

About when did development of the N64 version begin?

It went on sale in 2000, so... The setting for the original game was 2007 viewed as the near future and the story was supposed to occur ten years in the future, so we probably submitted the proposal around 1997.

The near future? 2007 has already past! (laughs)

Yeah. (laughs)

For a game that was developed back then, Sin & Punishment took a relatively long time. And it went on sale during the last days of the N64 system. It was like you just barely caught the last train. (laughs)

Sorry. (laughs)

Not at all. To tell the truth, I ran into some trouble in the days of the N64 myself. Back then, I was president of HAL Laboratory, Inc. The Nintendo 64 came out in 1996, but until 1999 and the release of Super Smash Bros.⁶ and Pokémon Snap⁷, HAL Laboratory wasn't able to contribute much in the way of new products.

That was because Nintendo 64 drastically changed how things were made up through the Super NES system. We ran up against how to make the best use of 3D graphics, and the team had quite a hard time.

About that time, in 1997, you wrote the proposal for Sin & Punishment, and the game came out in 2000. Could you tell me a little about the process of trial and error you went through at Treasure during that period?

Maybe it would be best for our programmer Nakagawa to talk about that...

Okay, um...as Iwata-san just mentioned, how video games are made changed drastically with Nintendo 64.

They sure did. It was a huge change.

But before Nintendo 64, there had been some systems by other companies that were like 3D graphics entry-level consoles. So when it came to 3D know-how...

You already had some.

Yes. I was certain I could make it work for Nintendo 64, but Nintendo 64 was...it was really something. (laughs wryly)

(laughs) If you didn't do it well, it wouldn't work at all.

Right...that's exactly it. It just wouldn't work...

I was a main programmer at the time, so I really understand what he went through.

Before the Nintendo 64 system, there were only entry-level consoles in terms of 3D capabilities, right?

Yes.

But Nintendo 64 was truly a 3D machine.

That's because we adopted the architecture from Silicon Graphics, Inc.⁸ Nintendo 64 had a number of restrictions, but it truly was a full-blown 3D machine. Nonetheless, the limits it had were such that, unless you used it right, it wouldn't run well.

I'd been enjoying working on the entry-level machines, but when I suddenly got my hands on a machine for real pros, for about a year it just wouldn't work...

Uh-huh.

(silently stares into the distance)

It...wouldn't work?

Phew... (long sigh)

(laughs) That sigh was laden with meaning. (laughs)

(nods exaggeratedly)