Iwata Asks is a series of interviews conducted by former Nintendo Global President Satoru Iwata with key creators behind the making of Nintendo games and hardware.






Volume 1 : Shigesato Itoi Asks in Place of Iwata

Two-Point Presentations

Itoi

I like how there was no alternative design for the character of Mario-only Option B, sketched in pencil. (laughs)

Miyamoto

(laughs)

Itoi

This generation wants to hear "This was chosen from all these possibilities!"

Miyamoto

I know.

Itoi

If someone on your team presented only one idea, what would you do?

Miyamoto

Oh, you mean if someone said, "We're using this one, thanks!" and presented just one picture?

Itoi

Well, two would be fine. Assuming, of course, those pictures are good.

Miyamoto

Well, if that person's work was generally good, I would give the OK.

Itoi

Ahh, me, too! If A or B is good enough, I don't need C or D.

Miyamoto

Yeah, that's right.

Itoi

Employees can learn a lot under a boss like that.

Miyamoto

But everyone prepares a full array of options and says, "We need you to decide!"-even though I say that a lot of options isn't necessary. I'm always saying that even if there's only one option, as long it's what we need and it's really good, then that's enough. But lots of people want to prepare multiple options.

Itoi

So...how many is best?

Miyamoto

(laughs)

Itoi

Demanding only one isn't right either.

Miyamoto

Well, no matter how many there are, if there's one he or she strongly feel is right, then that's fine, but I don't like that attitude of "Just take your pick and we'll fulfill your order." This may sound weird, but it becomes my responsibility that way. It's not that I don't want to take responsibility, but I think, "Aren't you the one whose responsibility this is?"

Itoi

Yeah. If a ramen shop asked you to tell them exactly how to season their food, you'd get mad. "Sir, how much salt should we put in?"

Miyamoto

(laughs)

Itoi

Wouldn't that be irritating? At least narrow it down to assari (light broth) and kotteri (rich broth)!

Miyamoto

I have to agree.

Itoi

As I was talking just now, I realized that I want two.

Miyamoto

Two.

Itoi

Yeah. Two options-A and B.

Miyamoto

Hey, maybe that's just the right amount. It'll be even better if you can get support on your decision.

Itoi

Ya think?

Miyamoto

Two choices, and when you say, "This one," they say, "That's what I thought, too!"

Itoi

Perfect!

Miyamoto

Yeah. When I ask, "Will this work?" I want them to say, "It'll work!"

Itoi

Oh, yeah!

Miyamoto

When I say, "Will this work?" and they say, "Well, if you say so..." it's such a letdown. (laughs)

Itoi

So, show your own will and present two choices. As long as Miyamoto-san and I are alive, whatever the presentation may be, two choices it will be.

Miyamoto

Yeah, two. (laughs) And another thing that I've been saying for forever is that proposals only need to be one page.

Itoi

Yeah.

Miyamoto

Well, I can forgive three. If you try to fit it all in one page and the print is too small, I can't read it.

Itoi

Yeah. (laughs)

Miyamoto

In the end, they waste too much effort on presentations. I don't know if there's somewhere where they learn to make presentations like they work at an ad agency or if they just want to do it like that, but there's a difference between presentations for persuading a sponsor to give you money and presentations for explaining what you're going to make. Lots of people get those two confused. Once you start trying to make your presentation look great, that task starts consuming all your energy.

Itoi

Yeah. If you let them, they'd make the proposal in Technicolor.

Miyamoto

Proposals are like that. You stay up all night making them, and that alone provides an immense sense of accomplishment.

Itoi

You'd really like to bawl them out over that, wouldn't you? "Spend that time with your wife and kids!"

Miyamoto

(laughs)

Itoi

Like in an American television drama. I'd wear a three-piece suit and say, "I think your wife Jane is marvelous. How about dedicating the time you spent on that presentation on her?"

Miyamoto

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Itoi

I shoot to my feet as I say it and then a real whiz of a secretary nearby says, "Oh, what a marvelous boss!" I'd like to play that role, but...

Miyamoto

You can't, right?

Itoi

Nope.

Miyamoto

It'd be too embarrassing.

Itoi

Yeah, too embarrassing. (laughs)